:-), surely it is apocryphal, right? To say that essence is not "numerically one" doesn't solve the problem, it just invents a name ("numerically one") and calls the problem is solved. I didn't say or imply that the entire range of properties called "being a part of that framework" is present in each color for a resemblance theorist—quite the opposite, in fact.I understand that when the resemblance theorist denies that when he says that X resembles Y that there is anything that remains the same in X and Y. Take a specific claim, and assume someone is a resemblance theorist about it. "Well, she wrote four and I think fairly well of two, so while you're not wrong, I wouldn't want you to exaggerate. If they can be analyzed into lower levels, then one would have to make reference to those lower levels to explain the resemblances in question. Thomas Metzinger, however, believes the opposite, “The brain is a system that is continually trying to prove its own existence,” he said. In other words, is there such a structure of interconnections that exists metaphysically prior to any particular instantiation in reality? Say that you have three individuals X, Y and Z. They are not the same, and they are not different, and so they must be like one another, but because likeness cannot be the same, you must say that like1 is like3 like2, and you will have to repeat this process for any likeness relation ad infinitum without any way to identify in what precise way one thing is like another. In one sense, this process of abstraction is a fiction, because F stripped of all particulars does not actually exist in reality. And thus, to say that a relation of resemblance is irreducible means that a relation of resemblance cannot be explained at a lower level of analysis.Ultimately, the important question is whether resemblances can be analyzed into lower levels that, either totally or partially, account for the resemblances themselves. My preferred solution would be to say that one parts are the same and other parts are different. Why can't Socrates's resemblance to Plato just be very much like Socrates's humanity's resemblance to Plato's humanity? It exists outside ourselves, it does not bend to our whim, but we must bend to it, existent things have the properties they have, and not any others, and it can contain no contradictions. Scott,That's one possibility; another is that formal sameness means that two particulars are numerically distinct instantiations of just one form (in which case the form itself is one and not many, and its instantiations are many and not one).I think this is the position George R. espouses, but I don't think it's coherent. My understanding was always that particularities were removed by the intellect until something that is the same in the individuals in question is reached, and that would be the common form. To say anything else that does not involve the use of synonyms would be to admit that resemblance is reducible and analyzable. an x such that there is an x such that…” Many people say they are not very good, although some, like Scott and NiV seem to like them. A relation relates through itself; never through a secondary or tertiary relation. In one sense, there are three, because there are three individuals that each has a distinct form immanent within themselves, i.e. In fact I was gratified some time ago to run across a source that -- I think correctly -- characterized Plato as a "transcendental idealist" and Aristotle as an "immanent idealist" in the original sense of the word "idealism.") What you and Morty claim is that consciousness comes before existence. That's not my own view (though I think rank sophist's is at least close to it).Generally, I'm on board with (my understanding of) Michael J. Loux's view that it's possible to combine an Aristotelian view of substances with a more Platonic view of attributes. Is that true? You keep appealing yourself to relations you can't reduce any further, so you have no grounds for complaining about it in the resemblance case.But once you have erected a boundary between the “unique resemblance relations” that characterize colors, and the “unique resemblance relations” that characterize non-colors, then you can certainly say that what the “unique resemblance relations” that characterize colors have in common is that they all occur within the boundary or demarcationAnd, again, the resemblance theorist will point out that this just states a resemblance. "It also helps to re-enchant reality and fight naturalism and materialism on the imaginative plain. Therefore, you would have as many likeness types as likeness tokens with nothing in common. How would you explain this?We can still say that human X and human Y share some trait Z, but "human" and "trait" cannot be conceived as universals. And while Rand was an entertaining novelist I regard her forays into philosophy as no better than any other amateur effort. Hence it is perfectly appropriate to say that your humanity is wherever you are at the time. "Yes, it is a theoretical posit -albeit philosophical, not scientific - that helps explain all phenomena. He is expressing the Neo-Platonist doctrine that the One includes and surpasses all things in absolute simplicity.Even if you specified some way that X resembles Y, you could not appeal to “a single species” that X and Y belong to, because X and Y stand in completely unique relations of resemblance within the interconnected network of beings. They are not universally bound by exactly the same form, which is a contradiction. Similarly, most Christians I've met have little idea of how the theology works, or in many cases what's actually in the Bible. This is problematical. Moreover, I am pretty sure when we posit a bodily nature to things we don't mean they only "resemble" having exactly three dimensions and, to that extent, in the exact same way to boot. Just offhand, I know that Tolstoy and Shaw did think Shakespeare a worthless writer. I have never found it. In other words, the divine nature is present as part of human nature, and the brutish nature is present as part of human nature. If this is right, it seems that it ends up being too strong. Why? You've brought no actual evidence for the comparative claim, and you are again making an argument that in several cases conflates expressions of personal taste with judgments of competence. comes to is simply the point that, And as it By "similar", I mean the way in which forms of a single species are identified with one another. "All of these points could have been made without exaggeration or misrepresentation. To give another example, each square thing possesses squareness (otherwise, in what way would it be a square thing?). )I still see a problem, though. The form is the measurement. And, indeed, the degree to which you are stretching is seen in your attempt to marshal Twain, who is a comic writer who often panned people whose literary reputations couldn't be hurt by it, with hyperbole, for comic effect. What is the “single species” here? Would those “ways” have to be the same in each form?Yes, they would. Let's assume that's the case; does the chair still exist? Then 'Existence exists' is false, since existence is a property, not an object. Since Hugo is in fact quite good, and Rand is actually competent in Hugo-esque technique, the harshest criticism of her that can really stick is that she's not as brilliant a novelist as Victor Hugo; which isn't much of a criticism, and, despite her ego, I don't know that Rand would have actually disagreed. This topic is not, of course, a major critique of atheism and materialism, but it is any interesting objection to the implicit, and sometimes explicit, view that materialism explains everything. Most attempts to dismiss her work as bad literature is due to people who want to hate her writing because they hate her views; ironic, since her writing is the result of the fact that Rand -- who was not exactly open-minded -- loved Hugo's writing despite hating his views. For what does not exist must be something, or it would be meaningless to deny its existence ; and hence we need the concept of being, as that which belongs even to the non-existent." The abstract "humanity" is a product of the mind, which is why it seems to you to have no place in space. Even if you are correct that there are degrees of likeness between two forms, then you have to account for what you mean by “degrees of likeness”. In other words, formal identity between X and Y is where the same kind of form is present in X and Y, albeit in different instantiations. that like saying that there is nothing that exists, which is also manifestly Just because my thought about X occurs within my intellect, it does not follow that my thought is simultaneously about X-in-intellect. Then both statements come out as ill-formed "I don't see why it would be. For example, if name exists in a restricted folder to which MATLAB ® does not have access, exist returns 0.. 1 — name is a variable in the workspace. The problem is that the pop-culture version of naturalism as of a purposeless machine blundering about blindly is as far away from real naturalism as the pop-Christian "man with a long white beard sat on a throne in heaven surrounded by attractive people with wings stuck on their backs playing golden harps" has to do with real Christian theology.But it's no use arguing about it. Resemblance wouldn’t even enter the account at all.Nor can you complain about these particular relations being irreducible, because, again, you have no way of eliminating the existence of irreducible relations. species), and similar measure (e.g. The existence of evil, while sometimes put forth as evidence against the existence of God, is actually evidence for the existence of God, said Christian apologist Frank Turek. More and less are indicative of an ordered hierarchy of some kind. You just keep begging the question and assuming that A) formal identity can be the absolute identity that you need to it be and B) that absolute identity in two places is not a contradiction. There is only one EM spectrum, and not a near-infinite number in accordance with every possible EM frequency. It seems that F and H stand in a certain proximity to G, but F is closer to G than H. What does “closer” and “farther” mean here, though? This is especially the case if we expand Classical Theism, as I think is possible and makes sense, to include the Theistic and Panentheistic beliefs of India and the East.-----I have not read Rand's novels. God is the most parsimonious explanation why there is something rather than nothing. For what is at issue here is exactly what evidence of the supernatural we may learn by our sensory experience of reality, and Aquinas would claim that we learn of the supernatural by our knowledge of the natural. genus), similar nature (i.e. I wouldn't call this principle "God", though. If “to exist” means “to perform the action of communicating ourselves to others,” then just what are we all communicating to each other? Is this line of argumentation equally valid?The clarification on QM was very helpful. There cannot be a likeness between two likenesses.First, of course you can have a likeness between two likenesses. Understanding what existence means in mathematics is the key to understanding what it means for concepts like "infinity" or "imaginary numbers" to exist--something that puzzles a lot of people when they first encounter these weird ideas!. 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